Farm
Old McAdam Had a Farm, E.I.E.I.O.Updated 3 years ago
Table of Contents:
- Not Worth Much
- Why I Love It
- What could go Wrong?
- Buildings To Build:
- Income Options
- Animals
- Karen Concerns
- Animals
- Animal Tasks
- Tax Benefits
- Guard Donkeys?
- My Plan
- 2-Year Plan: $125k
- Monthly Income
- Wedding Destination
- Before Committing
- Previous Regrets
- Exit Strategy
- Bus
- Offer on Cabin
- Backup Plan
- Notes
- Heat Requirements
- Solutions
- Practical Land Uses:
- Waterfall
- Mega Garage
- Leveling Land
- Yurts
- Durable Buildings
- Helicopter
- Speed Boat
- Supplies Needed
- Septic
- Interior Design
- Infloor Heating
- Exterior Design:
- Interior Design:
- Design Questions:
- Barn:
- Gambrel Cost:
- Design
- Pics
- Videos
- Pico Hydro
- To Buy
Why This "favorite" Cabin / Land isn't worth much:
- Entrance off Highway (8030)
- Cabin would likely be considered a liability to anyone not willing to do all the work themselves.
- Squatters Ripped out all the wiring + Plumbing.
- Cabin Very Dirty.
- Acreage very unkept. Poor Land Maintenance
- Driveway is Overgrown, and narrow to do lack of trimming trees.
- One Broken Window
- Un-fenced
- Must turn around on Highway to get into driveway
- Very steep, rocky terrain (no farming).
Why I Love it:
- The Cabin was built to be show-room beautiful, and I can see under the crap, to see its potential.
- It can be subdivided into 3 acre parcels, though that is not my plan.
- Cabin has Power, Water, and Internet.
- Although it is technically on the Trans Canada Highway, you are so high up, you can't hear a peep from traffic.
- BEAUTIFUL views of Grouse Mountain + Duncan from all floors
- New Powered Well + Pump.
- Wild Peacocks living on the property.
- Ready to move in.
- Free Wood for Heating.
- Beautiful Finishings.
- Beautiful Fireplace in Main Room.
- I would never have to work again.
What could go Wrong?:
- I decide I don't like the isolation.
- I get injured.
- A Helper is injured.
- I run far over my budget of $100K before I can get 5 (paying) tenants.
- I decide it is too much work to complete.
- I decide I don't want to raise animals.
(Buildings) To Build:
- Hot Tub
- Storage Barn with suite above
- Garage with suite
- Yurts(with heated floors)
- Indoor Pool.
Tenant Options / Buildings for income:
- Trailers / RVs (quick, just need water+sewer+elec)
- Yurts (on concrete pad, with heated floor)
- Garage (with Suite above)
- Barn / Stable (with Suite above)
Concern #3 Animals::
Although animals are simply an option, I think they will added much-desired character to the property, as well as large tax-benefits.
- I will not be slaughtering my own animals. I will sell them alive, or have them picked up.
- I hear the "sight of blood" is a common feature on a farm. But if I do not slaughter, when would it happen?
Karen Concerns:
- Commute + Isolation
- Injury (Saws, Tripping)
- Exhaustion from never ending tasks
- Adam working alone
- Current Condition
- Views of property
- Potential Garage + Yurt Locations
- Areas for Ponds
- Great Room Immediate Priorities
- Things Adam doesnt see
*flashing:
The animal-rearing part of this plan is not required, it is just a hobby I can start for fun, (and to save on taxes).Animals:
- I am told there are many tax-incentives to become a "hobby farm"
- In order to qualify, I have to produce ~$4000/year in farm produce
- Most of the land isn't suitable for crop production, so that leaves animals
- I don't care, and haven't committed to any particular animal types. And I can change my mind at any time if an animal becomes not worth the hassle.
- My Plan is : 1 Donkey, 4 Pigs, 10 Goats, 20 Chickens, and several cats, 1 dog.
- Clear the entire property, and plant appropriate "crows" (the livestock that can graze 10 months of the year, and eat hay during the winter).
- Purchase $1000/year in hay for the winter.
- Ideally, I would accept any unwanted animals (for free) and expand my flock as opportunities arise.
- Sell the Animals when the reach Maturity.
- 1 acre of Grass = 100 bails of hay= 4500lbs =$450 = enough for 4.8 goats or 2.8 sheep.
Animal Tasks:
I understand that every day, I will have to, or arrange for someone else to:- Confirm all Fences+Cages are intact.
- Water + Food.
- Scoop a TON of Poop
- Let grazing animals out in the morning, back in at night, search for missing animals.
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- Keep cats to kill rats
- Fully Fence the property, including a Cattle-gate.
- Train Bosco to herd stray animals
Tax Benefits:
The purpose of the farm is not to raise livestock. It is just to achieve the tax-exempt minimum of ~$4000.Livestock: | |||||
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Animal | Sale Price | Lifespan | Food / Day | Days to Slaugter | Additional Tasks |
Sheep | ???? | 11 years | ??? | 270 | Yearly Sheering. |
Goats | $75-300 | 15 years | Hay: 3-10 lb | 100 | Monthly Hoof trimming |
Chickens | $12-30 | 8 years | Feed .25lb | 50 | |
Pigs | $500-800 | 20 years | Slop: 5 lb | 150 | |
Donkey | $1000-2500 | 25 years | Hay: 10 lb | -- | Salt Block + Mineral supplement + Carrots |
Cats | - | 18 years | Cat Food | -- | Kills Rats etc. |
--I have been told by many people, the hardest thing about Goats+Chickens is preventing pregnancy, and not having enough food in the winter.-- |
Chickens Kept in coop + House. They lay eggs after the age of 6 months.
Livestock 101
(Unlikely) Animal Options: Horse (too large), Cattle (too large), Llamas (diseases, Sheering Wool).
Guard Donkeys:
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- Apparently if you raise Donkeys in close-proximity to the other farm animals, their mammalian-instinct kicks in, and they protect them as if they were their own!
- A Pair would be best
- I am told they will fight off raccoons, coyotes, bears, and even cougars+wolves.
- I would plan to raise it from a foal (baby) to like dogs.
- More
My Plan (in Rough order)::
- Sell my House.
- Purchase Cabin for $320K
- Spend $30K immediately on Plumbing, Electrical, and Finishing Main Cabin.
- Get 2 or 3 people to live out there in exchange for free rent.
- Widen the Main Road
- Start Building outbuildings
- Gradually Build more Buildings, for More accommodation, with friends.
- Get 3 or 4 roommates, and/or AirB-n-B
- Clear the Land of ground-fall
- Fence the Land
- Buy in a Truck or ATV. Possibly Borrow Nates?
- Begin Collecting Livestock.
- Goal: Having 10 Suites, and 20 people paying $12,000/month in rent. (And trade labour for housing).
- Live off the Land.
- Form a massive pile of cleared brush, rent a wood chipper, and create a massive pile of chips, for the automated Wood Stove (Video Below). Of course they will be stored in a manner to prevent fires.
My 2-Year Budget: $125k:
- $40k House
- $20k Road
- $40k MegaGarage
- $10k Septic Upgrade
- $5k Well Upgrade
- $5k for Trailer Services
- $10K Solar, Wind, Hydro Power
- $5K Ponds
- $5k Pool
- $10k Excavator
Wedding Destination Plan: $125k + 2-Years:
- $80k 10 Yurts for weddings
- $ 5K Heat Pumps
- Yurts
- $20k grand hall
- $10k Gazebo
- $10k Landscaping
- $10k supplies
- $10k right of way
- Insurance
- Ask: How many are there, how many failed, how full, how much per wedding, weddings / years
- Ask: 10 brides what they paid.
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Before Committing to this plan:
- Work on a Similar Farm for 1 week.
- Finish all the little things on my house.
Regrets from previous Building Projects:
- Prepare a long list of supplies needed, given to friends for them to look out for.
- Making too many trips to HomeDepot etc.
- Not organizing my tools.
- 5Volt Wiring throughout.
- Having volunteers to help with simple tasks, Painting, Yardwork, Cleaning, etc.
Regrets from Designing my current house:
- Make Doors open outwards when possible.
- Don't hide light switches.
- Extra Plugs for TV and chargers.
- Security System
- Durable Floors
Exit Strategy:
If something goes wrong, or I decide cabin-life isn't for me, here are my outs
- 6 months. Once Cabin is wired + plumbed + finished suite, and property reasonable-condition. Invest $40K Sell for ~$600K
- 2 years. Cabin is perfect. Property is great. 6+ tenants + outbuildings. Invest $140 Sell for $800K.
Victoria->Duncan Bus:
- The #66 Bus runs often
- Zone B Commuter Pass $246.00 / month. or $10 one-way.
- Valid for all buses in Duncan, Cowichan and Victoria
- 5:55 AM Duncan-> 6:47 AM VGH Hospital.
- 4:09 PM VGH Hospital -> 5:12 PM Duncan.
Plan to offer to buy John's Cabin:
- I want to buy this plot of land in Duncan.
- I am current considering buying the 38 neighbouring acres for $650k, and selling off 4 three-acre plots for $200k each, and then building a house.
- But I would prefer Johns property / cabin, as I see the potential if it were fixed up properly, and like the log cabin feel.
- There are very similar acreages next door for $12k-$16k per acre.
- I am willing to pay 100% of his purchase price for his 16 acres, including any upgrades he has done. ~320K. or $20K/acre.
- I have a very flexible timeline for when to purchase the place.
- I would love to have you live here, and point out hints on the property, and can offer Free Rent for 2 months.
- Option to Live in a trailer for 4 additional months.
Amanda:
- Remind him he isn't doing any renovations in the last 1+ years.
- Remind him when he got stuck in the snow and had to get a hotel for a week.
- Remind him of health.
- Suggest other options for him. A condo, etc, etc.
If he says no:
- I buy the $650k neighbours 38 acres. Which has paved road access, hydro to lot, same view, etc.
- Pick the best 10-ish acres for myself. And immediately subdivide, and Sell the remainder to pay for the building of the house.
- Borrow Amanda's trailer to live in for a month or two.
- Hire someone to drill a well. Dig my own septic field. Lay foundation, and build simple garage with Suite.
- Then build a 3000sqft dream house
- Get someone with a drone to shoot an aerial shot of the property.
Notes:
- Tamara demands I name the farm "EIEIO".
- Metcoshin Sheep Farm
- Cowichan ALR Rules
- Portable Shower
- Competition Yurts
- Yurts for Rent
- Land Title Search ($9.45)
Heat Requirements:
I have a large need to cheap-heat. For things such as:- House
- Out Buildings
- In-floor Heating
- Hot Tub
- Indoor Pool?
Practical, and LEGAL Uses of the Land::
- Brewing or Distilling Alcohol (U-Brew) .
- Bed + Breakfast of 4 bedrooms.
- Dog Kennel / Boarding.
- Field-trips for local School Children.
Practical Idea: Waterfall:
- Artificial waterfalls are classy+Beautiful. But super expensive to run, so normal reserved for mansions/millionaires.
- But this property has the topography to capture+store a ton of water at a high elevation
- Simple pipes can funnel that water to the top of a water feature just using gravity.
Practical Idea: Mega Garage:
- 1200sqft.
- Use 28ft "Attic" Trusses.
- 560ft upstairs suite. 14x40x8ft Attic.
- Of Use 30ft "Gabrel Attic" Trusses.
- 72ft upstairs suite. 18x40x9.5ft Attic.
- Working on Vehicles
- Parking for 3 cars
- Pit for oil changes
- Many Rooms of various sizes
- U-Brew Room
- Tons of Storage
- Craft / Storage Room
- Guest Sleeping.
- Which rooms need windows?
- Plan #1 for 975sqft main floor + 507sqft attic
- Plan #2 for 768sqft main floor + 384sqft attic
- Plan #3. 576 main floor + 288sqft attic
- Plan #4. 576 main floor + 288sqft attic
- Plan #5
- Plan #6
- Plan #7 3500 sqft $37k
- 1 month: Footings, struture, steel walls, steel roof
- 1 month: elec, plumb, door, window
- proffesionals pour concrete slap floor
- 1 month: insulate, vapour barrier, steel walls
- 1 month: floors, paint, fixtures, etc.
- 1 month: final touches
- Similar Crane required to lift the joists
- Cost Savings: Free Windows of various sizes
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This garage+attic trusses
Practical Idea: Leveling Land:
- The land is currently not very useful, but has massive potential if leveled properly.
- First, come up with a WHOLE property plan, indicating roads, drainage, etc.
- Widen / Move / Plan out the roads to access each plot.
- Use the small front-end loader Bobcat to spread road base.
- $532+$477 Vacuum Tube Solar Water Heating + Tank
- Use a technique like in the video (below) to break rock. Rent / Buy a drill, and use wedges.
Hydronic floor Heating
Old man breaks massive rock
Simple rock Removal
Dexpan expanding foam
7 dump trucks of rock removed
Ecobust
In floor Heating
Practical Idea: Yurts:
- Cheap to Construct.
- Legally Temporary, so no restrictions on number.
- Built on Concrete Pads, for 3-season use, and durability.
- In Floor Heating / Cooling.
- Can have plumbing, Electricity, Kitchens, etc.
- Perfect to rent out for weddings.
- Can be made with Plywood, siding, and insulation.
- Great for tenants.
- Can be built on cliffsides easier.
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7 Hour Build Time
Practical Idea: Durable Buildings:
- I HATED repairing damage from tenants, so I want any suites to be durable and easy to clean.
- This doesn't cost more money, just involves choosing durable designs and building practices.
- 1. Foundations that go up at least 24 inches
- 2. Hard Floor, such as tile. Tenants can lay their own carpets / rugs on top.
- 3. Durable wall panels, that wipe clean. Ideas?
- 4. Trim should be Subway-tiles. Cheap, Easy, clean, looks good.
- I plan to have a laundry room, where I have extra machines, so that if a tenant's breaks, they can immediately use one, and I can store replacements.
Crazy Idea: Helicopter:
- Buy an Ultralight helicopter to commute to Victoria.
- Ultralight has two pontoons to land on water.
- Mosquito XELCost: $50k new, $35k kit, $15k used (all in CAD).
- A pilots license if not required for most models of ultralight.
- But I would get a license. ~$1200.
- Weights 300lbs, and easily rolled into a garage.
- Farm to Victoria Inner Harbour by Road(70km).
- Farm to Victoria Inner Harbour by Air(51km).
- Flight Time @ 140kmhr= 15mins. Uses 7 gallons(26litre) of Regular Gas. $24 Round trip.
- Safety: 75% of the route is over water. Allowing easy landing in an emergency.
- Landing Laws
Mosquito Helicopter
Landing on Water
Crazy Idea: Speedboat:
- $7000- $12000.
- Fire From Crofton Boat Launch in 45 - 120 mins.
- 11 Feet Long. 5 Feet Wide. 30HP. 50km/hr
- Max Pass+Cargo Weight 600 lbs.
- Crofton to: Brentwood: 41km. Goldstream: 55km. Victoria Harbour: 87km.
- CraigCat Mini Speedboats
- Option #2 $7000
farmBoat
Commuter Boat
Option #2
Supplies Needed:
I plan to give 200 friends a list of supplies I am in need of, and ask them to place it on the dash of their cars.When they see an item I want, I'd like a message as to where to pick it up.
- Toilets, Sinks, Bathtubs
- Pipe
- Wire
- Insulation
- Vapour Barrier
- Screws / Nails
- Tile / Flooring
- Appliances.
Tenants on Septic: Major Liability / Headache:
Tenants can cause massive issues if hooked up to sepctic. I know nothing about them.- Avoid them overflowing and saturating the field.
- Meter the water going into each trailer.
- Store their sewage
- Get Pumped out every 3 to 7 years.
- 1000 gallon tank should be sufficient.
- To be stored locally???????
- 100 ft long max; 5 ft apart; 10ft from property line; 50ft from well; 100ft from ponds; Ends capped or interconnected
- Rules: No Bleach, Kitty Litter, Solids, Femnine Hygiene, Volume restriction 3000 litres/month/person, parking on tank etc.
- What is the second layer of pipes in this video?
Of I had 5 tenants, all use one septic field, what type of device would I need to give accountability for banned items in the sewage?
I.e. a trap on each unit, that catches any bad material, and clogs, and sets off an alarm.
Interior Design Ideas:
- Panels covering TV, etc.
- Speakers Throughout
- Music Throughout House.
- Raise + Lower Chandelier
- Accent Lights
- Under Counter+Cabinet Lights
- Fiber-optic lights / stars
- Brown Paper Floors
- Spots for plants
- Bench at Entryway
- Glass walls
All-Electric infloor Heating::
$22 100m of line. Cut into ten 10-metre sections. 150W per section. Heats 6 cm on each side. 0.06 x 10 =0.6 sq metres. = 6 sqm total = 65 sqft 900sqft = 14 kits = 1400m of line = $308. 150W x 14 sections=2100Watts- Waterfall
- Motion Censor Door alarm at driveway.
- Big Address Sign at Road.
- Round About with Fountain
- Pond near front door.
- Emergency Backup Generators? (as we would be a low priority in an outage)
Exterior Design Ideas::
- Waterfall
- Motion Censor Door alarm at driveway.
- Big Address Sign at Road.
- Round About with Fountain
- Pond near front door.
- Emergency Backup Generators? (as we would be a low priority in an outage)
Interior Design Ideas::
- Dirt-sucking Vaccuum attachment to sweep to.
- Raise Bed Area for Bosco.
- Hidden water dishes.
Design Questions:
.- Bosco Area. Where?
- Secret Room. Where
- Where to put road so that tenants don't disturb main cabin?
Gambrel Cost Estimate:
.Major Materials Required, to get to a Structure, Roofed, Walled:
- 32-foot Gambrel Trusses@ $525
- Load Bearing Walls- 2x6x8 x 2/foot@ $5
- Concrete Foundation Perimeter 18" x 8" @ $0.47ft
- Concrete Foundation Pad @ $1.88sqft
- Galvanized Metal 8 ft @ $0.93sqft
Not substracted! used insulation, used windows.
Not included! walls on each end (30ft x 2). GST
Three Designs:
- 32 x 30 Cottage / Guest House
- 32 x 40 Mega Garage
- 32 x 90 Dream House
Item | Cost | Cottage | Qty. | Garage | Qty. | Dream | Qty. |
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Roof Trusses | 700 | 22 | $15,400 | 30 | $21,000 | 68 | $47,600 |
Roof Plywood | 0.9 | 1995 | $1,796 | 2662 | $2,396 | 3634 | $3,271 |
Roof Vapour B | 0.07 | 1995 | $140 | 2662 | $186 | 3634 | $254 |
Roof Insulation | 1.01 | 1995 | $2,015 | 2662 | $2,689 | 3634 | $3,670 |
Roof Felt | 1.13 | 1995 | $2,254 | 2662 | $3,008 | 3634 | $4,106 |
Roof DryWall | 3.57 | 1995 | $7,122 | 2662 | $9,503 | 3634 | $12,973 |
Ext. Plywood | 0.9 | 1995 | $1,796 | 2662 | $2,396 | 3634 | $3,271 |
Ext. Vapour B | 0.07 | 1995 | $140 | 2662 | $186 | 3634 | $254 |
Ext. Insulation | 1.01 | 1995 | $2,015 | 2662 | $2,689 | 3634 | $3,670 |
Ext. DryWall | 3.57 | 1995 | $7,122 | 2662 | $9,503 | 3634 | $12,973 |
Ext. Walls | 9.52 | 124 | $1,180 | 144 | $1,371 | 244 | $2,323 |
Fasteners | 7 | 124 | $868 | 144 | $1,008 | 244 | $1,708 |
Chalking | 0.52 | 124 | $64 | 144 | $75 | 244 | $127 |
Overhang Siding | 2.38 | 124 | $295 | 144 | $343 | 244 | $581 |
Conc. Perimeter | 0.47 | 124 | $58 | 144 | $68 | 244 | $115 |
Conc. Pad | 1.88 | 960 | $1,805 | 1280 | $2,406 | 2880 | $5,414 |
Metal Wall | 0.93 | 992 | $923 | 1152 | $1,071 | 1952 | $1,815 |
Metal Roof | 0.93 | 1200 | $1,116 | 1600 | $1,488 | 3600 | $3,348 | Total | $46,109 | $61,386 | $107,475 |
Assuming:
- Cottage is 29 ft long+6 overhangs=1995 sqft of roof
- Garage is 40 ft long+6 overhangs=2622 sqft of roof
- Dreamhouse is 70 ft long+9 overhangs (combined 22+18+30) =3634 sqft of roof
- (Dreamhouse does not include great room)
- Rebar will be calculated later.
- Concrete at $200 / cubic metre
- 32-ft truss has 60ft of roof to cover
Too Hard to Estimate:
- Gasketted Screws 30 Cents
- Used Windows
- Steel Flashing
- Concrete Form Wood + Stakes
Design Pics:
Closet Design:
farmDesignCloset
Pool Design:
farmDesignPool
Gate Design:
farmDesignGate
Floors Design:
farmDesignFloors
Misc Design:
farmDesign
Roof Deck:
farmRoof
Videos:
Automated Wood Heating
My Dream: Puppy Train
Guard Donkey
Chickens 101
Metchosin Sheep Farm
$3000 Pool
$30 LED Fountain
Pico Hydro:
- Wikipedia
- A Cliffside Property like this is perfect for Pico Hydro.
- Something small. Just for my own use.
- Reliable. Would run year-round.
- I would always have BCHydro to hook up to.
- Scalable. Build a bit at a time, and iron out the kinks
- As a large dam would be far too expensive, and too risky, if it were to break. I propose:
- Channel surface water streams into 5 to 10 small dams. 2-4 ft high.
- Pipes run to a "main" dam, also small.
- When is rains, the dams fill, and store what they can
- The main dam uses the water it has, then "asks" the other dams to send it water.
- The main dam has one or two generators located as far down the property as possible. (easily 150ft.)
- The feeder-dams would have valves that open, and send water as needed.
- Output: @ 20L/s * 150 ft * .305m/ft * 1L/kg * 9.8N/kg = 8967 Nm/s = 8967 watts. @ 50% efficiency, so 4.5kW.
20 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 630M Litres (166M Gallons). - Water Requirements: 3.1M Litres(8.2M Gallons) of water / year. ~28" of rain per year over 16 acres= 45.8M Litres(12.1M Gallons).
- Usage: 12,000KwH/year=$1400. 8760 hr/year @ 4.5kW= 6264 KwHr
- Friction Loss is: 5 psi over 200 feet at 20l/s for 4 inch. (10 feet of vertical). Link.
- The "Colorado Example" uses 185GPM(700litres) makes 7800W. Or 53KW/year or $5830/year Link.
- Low Head Hydro Generator.
- Hydro Calculator #1.
- Hydro Calculator #2.
3KW
Creek System
Colorado Example 7800W
Incase I need a 2nd well
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